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Echoes of Eternity: Understanding the Glory Before Time Began

Diving into John 17, we explore Jesus' profound prayer regarding His divine nature and the glory He shared with the Father before the world existed.

Grace Digital NetworkRogue DisciplesJul 19, 20264 min read0 views

Sometimes, as we are studying the scriptures, we come across concepts that feel so vast, so far beyond our everyday experience, that it can make our minds swim. We read about creation, about covenants, about the eternal nature of God, and we can feel the sheer weight of divine majesty. It makes you pause, doesn't it? You think, 'How could anything be before *anything*?'

It’s in those moments of profound mystery that the Spirit whispers to us, pointing us toward the depth of Christ's teachings. One passage, in particular, keeps drawing my attention: John Chapter 17. It’s a prayer so rich, so deeply personal, that it feels like we are eavesdropping on the very heartbeat of the Savior as He speaks to the Father.

When we look at John 17, we see Jesus asking to be glorified—not for His own sake, but so that He might better glorify the Father. It’s a beautiful masterclass in divine interdependence. He wasn't asking for a promotion; He was asking to resume the glorious relationship He had with the Father *before* the veil of time was drawn.

This isn't just theology for a Sunday lecture; this is vital for us as disciples. To truly understand the Savior, we must understand the scope of His divinity. The scriptures teach us that God is uncreated and eternal. The very language used in Genesis, with its plural noun and singular verb, hints at a profound, eternal unity—a unity of glory that predates the physical world.

What does this mean for us, the modern-day disciples, the rogue disciples scattered across the globe? It means that the work is eternal. The glory Christ shared with the Father wasn't something He *gained* on the cross; it was something He *reaffirmed* through His entire life of obedience. Every sermon preached, every quiet act of service, every time we choose to be Christlike when it’s hard—that’s us participating in that eternal pattern of glorifying the Father.

It’s a powerful reminder that our discipleship isn't just about showing up to meetings or passing through the MTC; it’s about cultivating that deep, inherent dependence on the Father, just as the Savior did. It’s about realizing that our greatest power comes from our connection to Him.

If you’re feeling overwhelmed by the sheer scope of the plan, I want to point you toward a resource that really unpacks this. I highly recommend checking out this video on John 17. It does a wonderful job of tracing the themes of glory and dependence.

A Quick Word from Davee: Wrestling with the 'How'

When I was studying this passage with Davee the other day, we talked about the concept of 'pre-existence.' I remember asking, 'But if He was already glorious, what did He *do* before?' Davee walked me through how the scriptures emphasize that His actions—His obedience—were the mechanism through which that eternal glory was manifested in our mortal time. It’s not a 'before and after' story; it’s a continuous 'through and through' story of covenant keeping.

Missionary Prep Skill: Articulating Dependence

Here’s a small skill for your next missionary discussion or even just a talk with a friend: When discussing Christ’s divinity, don't just list titles. Focus on the *relationship*. Instead of saying, 'He was divine,' try framing it as, 'He lived in perfect, eternal harmony with the Father, and His entire earthly life was dedicated to mirroring that perfect relationship.' It makes the concept tangible.

Fellow disciples, remember that we are all disciples anywhere, all the time. Whether you’re studying for your Book Club in HolyPlaces or just making coffee this morning, you are participating in the work. Keep drawing strength from the Savior’s perfect example of dependence.

If you want to dive deeper into the nature of Christ and the Father, I found some excellent readings on the Iron Rod that touch on these eternal covenants. I’ve linked a few recommendations in the comments, but if you’re looking for structured study, don't forget to check out the Bible Study Groups in LivingBook. The community discussions there are building some incredible understanding!

Frequently Asked Questions

The use of the plural noun 'Elohim' with a singular verb is suggested to be theologically correct, implying that God is three in one.

His plea was not selfish; it was a concern for the glory of the Father, allowing Him to continue glorifying the Father through His work.

He glorified the Father through his entire life—from his dedication at the temple to every sermon preached and every act of obedience.

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